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Prodrive will be McLaren B Team Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 7:54 am |
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Quote: In Red Bull-Toro Rosso style, McLaren and F1's twelfth team Prodrive next year could use essentially the same formula one chassis.
Although news about David Richards' incoming team has been sparing in recent times, it is reported this week that Prodrive is still on track to debut in Melbourne next March.
And the specialist German magazine Auto Motor und Sport claims that with three substantial Prodrive sponsors now on board, McLaren is now working closely with Richards' outfit to put together effectively a 'B' Mercedes-powered team.
To simplify the cross-over between the two teams, and because of time constraints, Prodrive is likely to run the 2008-specification MP4-23 single seater, probably with an identical Mercedes-Benz V8 power plant to its works sister, as the new privateer-friendly rules will probably allow.
Alongside McLaren test drivers Pedro de la Rosa and Gary Paffett as possible Prodrive racers, meanwhile, is Paffett's French-Canadian DTM colleague Bruno Spengler, the magazine added.
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Ya know....
This is absolutely what we hate about the new regulations.
Prodrive will enter Formula One without creating their own car. Something that every other team has done for the last few decades - excluding Toro Rosso and Super Aguri, and even Super Aguri struggled with the Arrows their first year... and rightly so.
But what will this 'spec' equipment will prove is that there is more to Formula One that having 'spec' equipment, that having the best minds is just as key...
Except the fledgling teams will no longer need the best minds to make the cars.
They've been given any easy out.
Why ruin a great part of Formula One with this bloody non-sense ?
It isn't to save money... no matter how often they spew that bloody BS.
If the FIA wanted to allow chassis to be bought, it should have put the chassis contract out for bid, and let the all back row minnows buy spec equipment from the same company... But NOT from an existing F1 team.
Let it be clear who can't build their own car, and who can. Let it be clear who ought to be respected for their car building talents... and who shouldn't be.
What right does Prodrive have to top level equipment they can't build themselves.
In our view... they have no right.
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Re: Prodrive will be McLaren B Team Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 7:58 am |
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This is good for Prodrive, their getting Mclaren's chassis and their latest Mercedes V8.
I hope Bruno Spengler does get the drive, he's a top driver.
I'm surprised that Mclaren are okay with Prodrive using their latest specification car. 
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Re: Prodrive will be McLaren B Team Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:00 am |
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Yup finally Bruno is where he needs to be: in speculation for an F1 drive!
About Prodrive using the MP4-23: in testing it will come in handy to run two cars. They might be from different teams, but the cars will be identical.
Or maybe how McLaren wants to secure the upper hand over them is by not sharing the data gathered from testing.
Who knows...
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Re: Prodrive will be McLaren B Team Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:04 am |
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I cant help but agree with you on:
Quote: If the FIA wanted to allow chassis to be bought, it should have put the chassis contract out for bid, and let the all back row minnows buy spec equipment from the same company... But NOT from an existing F1 team.
Let it be clear who can't build their own car, and who can. Let it be clear who ought to be respected for their car building talents... and who shouldn't be.
I feel that if Chassis are allowed to be bought then it should be the same spec as all the other teams that have bought a chassis, teams like you said are just getting the easy way out and dont get me wrong but it takes half of the (cant think of the the word) out of Furmula 1!
And at the end of the day this is prodrive were talking about! YES PRODRIVE!!! surely they have the knowledge, knowhow and the money to design a chassis!
This is the only negative side to customer cars that i really do disagree with!
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Re: Prodrive will be McLaren B Team Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:04 am |
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It's a werid decision.
Surly, if Prodrive use the same car, they can rival Mclaren for the championship?
Prodrive do have excellent F1 knolwedge though, they ran BAR remember.
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Re: Prodrive will be McLaren B Team Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:06 am |
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"McLarenFan" wrote: Yup finally Bruno is where he needs to be: in speculation for an F1 drive! About Prodrive using the MP4-23: in testing it will come in handy to run two cars. They might be from different teams, but the cars will be identical. Or maybe how McLaren wants to secure the upper hand over them is by not sharing the data gathered from testing. Who knows...
Im sure data wise it will be very Schumi-esc!
Mclaren will look at there Data but will not be willing to part with there own. and i guess rightly so as they have given them there chassis and and engine too!
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Re: Prodrive will be McLaren B Team Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:11 am |
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It will be interesting, if Prodrive are faster than Prodrive, that would be an own goal for Mclaren.
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Re: Prodrive will be McLaren B Team Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:54 am |
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But let's admit, that McLaren will probably have the better drivers.
If de la Rosa gets this last chance to shine, he'll probably be ahead of his teammate (asuming he's a rookie) at first, but by mid-season I reckon he's gonna get out-paced.
Whether McLaren's driver line-up next year is
Hamilton-Alonso
Hamilton-Heidfeld
Hamilton-Kubica
Hamilton-Rosberg,
they will have the upper hand over
de la rosa-Paffett
de la rosa-Spengler
Paffett-Spengler
most likely...
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Re: Prodrive will be McLaren B Team Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:01 am |
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I don't think much of De La Rosa, he's rather average.
Spengler and Paffett would be a good driver line-up, however, they don't have any F1 race experience. So they could be slow intially.
Your right though, Mclaren will have better drivers.
I personally see Hamilton-Heidfeld happening...
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Re: Prodrive will be McLaren B Team Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:32 am |
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Not sure I agree with the general opinion of the customer-car idea.
In the early sixties it was possible to buy a complete car from a manufacturer and enter it as your own - Rob Walker's Lotus team for example - and it provided good racing and an entry to F1 for aspiring drivers who otherwise would not get into the sport. In some cases customer car entrants later develped into developing and building their own cars. I think Hesketh originally came in with a March customer car before designing and building their own.
I think that allowing customer cars offers a quicker and (slightly) lower cost entry into F1 which can only be good for the sport. Without them, teams in the future could be limited to the 'grandes' manufacturers only and only eight or nine of them.
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Re: Prodrive will be McLaren B Team Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:37 am |
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It's really the only way the small teams can survive - customer cars.
We hear Spyker are in trouble, which is no great surprise.
However, most of the customer teams in the future will be supported by major teams.
Customer teams shouldn't be able to get constructor's points, as their technically not a "constructor".
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Re: Prodrive will be McLaren B Team Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:52 pm |
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Paffet shouldn't get the drive.
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Re: Prodrive will be McLaren B Team Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:02 pm |
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"Filip #66" wrote: Paffet shouldn't get the drive.
Why not?
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Re: Prodrive will be McLaren B Team Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:10 pm |
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Why would he? He wasn't rated much by McLaren as he was slow in testing. Why do you think he's got what it takes?
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Re: Prodrive will be McLaren B Team Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:10 pm |
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Di Resta and Paffet, they both earned a try.
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